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Post by Kieran on May 16, 2011 23:07:09 GMT 2
There might be but I couldn't find any that is STRICTLY movie universe as in The Official Story Family Tree, so I made one. ----> THE LION KING - THE MOVIE UNIVERSE FAMILY TREEAs official as the books are, they were never approved by any of the film makers nor tied into the films but on the contrary, have literally been denied by them - so they do not connect to the family tree in the movie universe. Even though they've never been mentioned anywhere in any shape or form, I threw in Zira's cubs' unknown father's parents as unknown individuals simply to fill up the empty space that otherwise would've looked stupid. And yes, I personally assume that all three had the same father because I don't see why would SP's makers have visioned different father to any of them without mentioning it. But of course that's just common sense and not a fact. Another detail that's just common sense (edit: or just speculation), and not a fact is Zira's generation. I just think it's highly likely she belongs to Simba's generation than to Scar and Mufasa's. Otherwise she'd be dead by the end of SP instead of leading a war. I hope people find this useful / clarifying.  NOTE: I have never worked for and I don't have any connections with The Walt Disney Company and they have not verified this family tree. So this family tree is just based off the facts given in the movie universe and open matters helped with common sense. |
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Post by TheLionPrince on Jun 20, 2011 18:33:52 GMT 2
I agree with your family tree, and it's about as official as we can make it. But, I would include Ahadi, Uru, and Mohatu in my vision of the family tree regardless if they are canon or at least sub-canon for that matter. And yes, I personally assume that all three had the same father because I don't see why would SP's makers have visioned different father to any of them without mentioning it. But of course that's just common sense and not a fact. Yes, I agree Kovu, Vitani, and Nuka officially all share the same father. Come on, not all siblings look like the same. Another detail that's just common sense and not a fact is Zira's generation. I just think it's highly likely she belongs to Simba's generation than to Scar and Mufasa's. Otherwise she'd be dead by the end of SP instead of leading a war.. Well, I used to (and somewhat still do) believe Zira is about as old as Scar. Remember Scar is younger than Mufasa, and Scar managed to put up quite a fight against Simba, who is years younger than him. But, Zira being as old as Simba makes sense since she managed to fight off against Simba during the battle in "The Lion King II". |
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Post by Kieran on Jun 20, 2011 21:44:51 GMT 2
I agree with your family tree, and it's about as official as we can make it. But, I would include Ahadi, Uru, and Mohatu in my vision of the family tree regardless if they are canon or at least sub-canon for that matter. Well, this isn't just aiming to be the most official family tree possible without the film makers' further statements, this is the movie universe family tree, which is why Ahadi, Uru and Mohatu couldn't be part of this as they are not mentioned in the films. Well, I used to (and somewhat still do) believe Zira is about as old as Scar. Remember Scar is younger than Mufasa, and Scar managed to put up quite a fight against Simba, who is years younger than him. But, Zira being as old as Simba makes sense since she managed to fight off against Simba during the battle in "The Lion King II". And we don't know how much younger Scar is. They could easily be litter mates and Scar only some seconds younger than Mufasa. As for the fight with Simba... I actually thought of it the other day and it isn't really much of a fight: Scar just tries to bite his neck, they fall down, Simba pushes him away, they attack each other but all they do is slap each others couple of times until Scar just smacks Simba down and tries to leap at him. It just looks impressive because of the effects and slowed-down movements. |
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Post by TheLionPrince on Jun 21, 2011 19:47:26 GMT 2
Well, this isn't just aiming to be the most official family tree possible without the film makers' further statements, this is the movie universe family tree, which is why Ahadi, Uru and Mohatu couldn't be part of this as they are not mentioned in the films. I never wrote it was the most official family tree. I wrote it is about as official as we can make it. Also, Mufasa and Scar's mother and father are mentioned in "The Lion King", but not officially named. Remember Zazu said to Scar, "Didn't your mother ever tell you to not to play with your food?" Mufasa mentions his father: "Simba, let me tell you something that my father told me". ;D And we don't know how much younger Scar is. They could easily be litter mates and Scar only some seconds younger than Mufasa. As for the fight with Simba... I actually thought of it the other day and it isn't really much of a fight: Scar just tries to bite his neck, they fall down, Simba pushes him away, they attack each other but all they do is slap each others couple of times until Scar just smacks Simba down and tries to leap at him. It just looks impressive because of the effects and slowed-down movements. Well, I assume that's how real lions actually fight, but I don't think they don't fight standing on their hind legs. Also, I'm sure the directors wanted the fight to look epic, which pulled off due to slow motion special effects. |
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Post by Kieran on Jun 22, 2011 19:27:02 GMT 2
Well, this isn't just aiming to be the most official family tree possible without the film makers' further statements, this is the movie universe family tree, which is why Ahadi, Uru and Mohatu couldn't be part of this as they are not mentioned in the films. I never wrote it was the most official family tree. I wrote it is about as official as we can make it. Also, Mufasa and Scar's mother and father are mentioned in "The Lion King", but not officially named. Remember Zazu said to Scar, "Didn't your mother ever tell you to not to play with your food?" Mufasa mentions his father: "Simba, let me tell you something that my father told me". ;D Which is why the mother and father are mentioned in this tree as unkown individuals. I was just pointing out that if you add Ahadi, Uru and Mohatu's names, the family tree would stop being the movie universe family tree. |
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Post by TheLionPrince on Jun 25, 2011 0:57:57 GMT 2
Which is why the mother and father are mentioned in this tree as unkown individuals. I was just pointing out that if you add Ahadi, Uru and Mohatu's names, the family tree would stop being the movie universe family tree. Fine, Ahadi, Uru, and Mohatu will never be in the movie universe family tree. But, as I posted before, I would put them in my vision of the family tree. As you've stated before, this isn't aiming to be the most official family tree, but this is as close as we can get to be. |
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Post by queen on Jun 18, 2019 20:13:32 GMT 2
Kieran'r right, based on what we see in the films, we don't see these characters or any hints of them. And correct me if I'm wrong, but even if the filmmakers confirm Mohatu, Ahadi and Uru as part of the universe they would be semi canon since the characters weren't their creation.
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