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Zira
Feb 15, 2011 9:04:59 GMT 2
Post by Kieran on Feb 15, 2011 9:04:59 GMT 2
Zira--a lioness who is obsessively in love with Scar and determined to reclaim the throne of Pridelands and revenge Scar's death. The film never confirms what her relationship with Scar was, but the deleted scene reveals she at least herself likes to believe she would be his queen if he was still alive. Whether this is true or just her fantasy, is left up to fanfiction. Sne appears to be a psychopathic and somewhat evil, much like Scar. Only, unlike Scar, she shows some genuine affection to those she's supposed to love. However, in the end she was ready to kill her own daughter. Throughout the years she raised her youngest son to become a killer. I'd like to think she was never Scar's mate but just an obsessed, fanatic fangirl, and Scar choosing her son as the heir only fommited those fantasies. I think she was a rogues lioness among many others of the Outlander lioness' we see, and that they'd joined Scar's pride at some point after cub Simba left. Check out my character psychology analysis for Zira.
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TheLionPrince
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Zira
Apr 1, 2011 23:44:16 GMT 2
Post by TheLionPrince on Apr 1, 2011 23:44:16 GMT 2
Very good description of Zira; I liked it. As for whether Zira is Scar's mate, it is left to fanfiction despite that the movie depicts Zira as just a devoted follower trying to make Scar's "dying wish" come into reality. The scene you mentioned above about Zira being Scar's queen implies she is if it was kept in the movie. But, the filmmakers, I believe, cut that scene from the final film so audiences won't think Kovu is Scar's son so Zira couldn't have had a relationship with Scar. Despite what's officially stated, I view Zira as Scar's mate. Another thing I found recently about Zira is that a Disney website describes her as "Scar's sister". I refuse to believe this, and I think it is a mistake. Here's the website: disney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/lionking112/helpful_hints/jungle_king.html
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Zira
Apr 2, 2011 0:37:14 GMT 2
Post by Kieran on Apr 2, 2011 0:37:14 GMT 2
Yes, I would be very considered and careful in what to believe from that official site as it also claims that Nala is not in The Lion King 1½, even though she most definitely is. So the site is not flawless, it has mistakes and it is highly unlikely that the people who host the web site are the same who make the films. So, anything Disney.go.com states about the characters and stories, I would not consider canon information unless it also states the info's written there by someone listed as the film's writer/profucer. And they're not. Plus, as the deleted scene proves they intented her more or less as Scar's mate, so her also being his sister would make no sense. (It's Disney which likely would not promote incest-ish themes.) And thank you, I'm glad that I managed to describe her well. ^^
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Zira
Apr 21, 2011 21:47:23 GMT 2
Post by Gemma on Apr 21, 2011 21:47:23 GMT 2
That's an interesting find. True that it doesn't really make sense to canon though.
Also, whoever wrote that at disney.go.com seems to have forgotten that if Zira is Scar's sister, then she is also Mufasa's sister. That makes her Simba's aunt, and that would mean Kovu and Simba are cousins. Which brings us back to the idea that Kiara and Kovu are related, which is something the film makers made sure they avoided (making the characters claim that "Scar wasn't Kovu's dad" a number of times).
They've also written that at the end of the first film, Simba banished Scar's sister-in-law, Sarabi (or, as they've written it, "Serabi"), without mentioning that Sarabi is actually Simba's mother. It definitely sounds like they've forgotten Scar is Simba's uncle, or maybe they don't realize that Mufasa is Simba's father!
Even though it can't be taken seriously, I must credit them for their originality. That's the most unique theory I've heard about Zira yet!
Anyway, going back to Kieran's description, I think it's interesting how you've mentioned that she may have never actually been Scar's mate as such. I recall there being hints in the film that she had romantic feelings for him, but these could have just been projections of her fangirlism rather than real romance.
Also, is it ever mentioned in the movie if any of Zira's children are Scar's? I know a lot of fans theorize that Nuka may have been Scar's, and possibly Vitani, but I don't remember either character ever calling him "dad" in the movie.
//I only edited the username reference to be to my new username, to avoid confusion. -Kieran (admin)//
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Zira
Apr 23, 2011 13:34:32 GMT 2
Post by Kieran on Apr 23, 2011 13:34:32 GMT 2
I don't think any of the cubs are Scar's. Already simply because I believe that if they were, the film makers would've literally had them say so - because it's very crucial if any of them are, because they wrote in a cub that isn't but is taking the rights of a biological child.
But also, Nuka uses the phrasing "I should've been the Chosen One." - before he goes on to the reasoning why; ("I'm the oldest, strongest and wisest.") If he was Scar's while also being the oldest of the group, this is the point where he would've refered to how he actually has a blood relation to Scar whereas Kovu doesn't. But he only speaks of being "the Chosen One". Those words imply he was on the very same line with Kovu who factually is not Scar's child.
And Vitani, I'm 100% convinced, is from the same litter with Kovu, and thus not Scar's child. It is much likelier that they're from the same litter than her being 6+ months older, hence their size is way too close together. (I know, so are Kovu and Kiara's while Kovu MUST be much older...but it's exactly because of that why Vitani can't be even older or else she'd be a midget for her age.)
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Jun 16, 2019 21:35:49 GMT 2
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Post by queen on Jun 16, 2019 21:35:49 GMT 2
I do believe Zira is Scar's mate. They just never had kids. Zira and Scar obviously identified with each other as predators with self interest and dreams of power. That must have lead Scar to choose Zira as his bride. But Zira had an obsession with Scar, whilst Scar never loved her, and treated her like a pawn. A pawn which was useful. And Scar chose his wife's son ( Kovu) to be his heir.
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